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The Rational Nationalist examines politics, history, psychology, and human nature through a structured, evidence-based lens. Rather than focusing on daily headlines, each episode explores the underlying mechanisms that shape societies, institutions, and political behavior.

Hosted by Lee Ellis, author of The Rational Nationalist, the podcast develops practical mental models for understanding ideology, group conflict, institutional incentives, decision-making, and the forces driving the modern world.

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